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The following story is presented to the readers as an attempt to explain some of the LDS faith (Mormonism) as a story portraying what they were historically taught and currently believe.  To most, it will have surprising elements which will cause you to want to "click" on the underlined links to find out where that is or was taught.

All parts of the story are researched and items that support the story are mainly from LDS sources. The few non LDS sources are documents such as letters from the Smithsonian Institute.

Basic to the LDS faith is the belief that all teachings of their leadership are absolute and infallible truths. Therefore, spoken sermons or written statements of doctrine by Joseph Smith and subsequent church leaders are used in this story.  These same teachings are available and taught in various degrees to current LDS members. 

"I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call Scripture."  (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses Vol. 13, Page 95 - 1870)
 
The order in which this story is told is not the order in which it is taught by the LDS missionaries.

This story is not intended to be derogatory, so if you are reading it and feel challenged, we encourage you to do your own research to determine the TRUTH!!! (And verify our accuracy)

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Good reading, and God Bless You.

 

Webster's definition of PROPHET: 
      One who foretells future events. 
      One who utters divinely inspired revelations.

Webster's definition of PROPHESY
      To predict with assurance or on the basis of mystic knowledge.

Webster's definition of PROPHECY
     A prediction of something to come.

  Of course there are other items that are associated with each word above, but these deal with the prediction portion of a PROPHET.

Biblically it is extremely clear what a PROPHET is, and what a PROPHET is not:
Deuteronomy 18:20-22 (KJV):

20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follows not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

The word "afraid" above when researched in the King James English is to - respect, revere, honor, etc.

More Specific Advice

Deuteronomy 13:1-5 (KJV)

1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

So if we find a prophet that fails at prophecy, then we ARE NOT TO FOLLOW HIM!!

It is also clear that if a prophet teaches you to go after other gods, then we are also NOT TO FOLLOW HIM!!!

So let’s start by examining "following other gods."

 

 

 

 

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A message to our LDS readers:

Many of us were once LDS and many of us still have family and friends that are LDS. So, of course, we love you. We only want to share the truth with you.

Jesus loves you more than you can imagine. Our hearts ache for all of you involved with teachings beyond the Holy Bible and it is our goal here to expose things that are contrary to the Holy Bible. The Holy Bible is God's Word. The Holy Bible is inerrant and infallible.

Unfortunately, to examine these truths can be painful for anyone has been taught something that is not true. It is our purpose to help you. It is not our purpose to attack the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints or its members. It is only our purpose to bring you the truth of the love and grace of Jesus Christ without the extra teachings brought about by Joseph Smith, et al.

We, the body of Christ, want you to know that we love you as Christ loves you. We have a heart for you that are heavily burdened with a desire to see you come to know the truth about Jesus the Christ. Sometimes, before a person can know the truth, they need to know what is not the truth.

In these pages, we will compare not only LDS teachings against the Holy Bible, but also LDS teachings against LDS teachings. We regret this may be painful but the truth needs to be told and sometimes the truth hurts.

Sometimes, pain can be said to be the breaking of the shell that surrounds our understanding.

God bless you, and may the Lord Jesus bless you

The Bible

The Bible is unparalleled in its influence, scope, and power.  It is God's word.  It is the source and record of God's covenant promise to His people.  From its pages we learn God's will for us morally, spiritually, and relationally.  We learn what is right and wrong, truth and error.  It is an instruction book for those who call themselves Christian (2 Tim. 3:16). 

What about the numerous contradictions in the Bible?

A.                 It is true there are difficulties within the Word of God. But these are not due to copying errors through the centuries. As more and more historical, archaeological, and manuscript evidence is uncovered, the fewer Bible difficulties there are.

Does manuscript evidence support inerrancy of the originals?

A.                 Yes. The more we have studied about the ancient manuscript, the more we have concluded that the original documents were indeed inspired and inerrant.

B.     The logical implication of the statements within the Bible is that they are inerrant since they claim to be offered from God. They either are or are not inspired of God.  If they are not, then their claims of speaking for God are lies. 

What makes the Bible different from any other religious document claiming to be the Word of God?

Prophecy! No other literary work can claim prophecy the way the Bible does. Throughout the Old Testament, God foretold the coming of Jesus the Christ, His Son and our Savior. The New Testament is filled with prophecy concerning the Second Coming of Jesus.

Prophecy, the Bible and Jesus

     How do you respond to someone's claim that the Bible is not inspired? Is there a way to prove inspiration or, at least, intelligently present evidence for its inspiration? The answer is "Yes!" One of the best ways to prove inspiration is by examining prophecy. There are many religious books in the world that have many good things to say. But only the Bible has fulfilled prophecies--with more fulfillments to come. The Bible has never been wrong in the past, and it won't be wrong in the future. It claims inspiration from God (2 Tim. 3:16). Since God is the creator of all things (Isaiah 44:24), then He is also the creator of time. It is under His control. Only God, then, would always be right about what is in the future, our future.

     Fulfilled prophecy is strong evidence that God is the author of the Bible because when you look at the mathematical odds of prophecy being fulfilled, you quickly see a design, a purpose, and a guiding hand behind the Bible. If just one prophecy failed, then we would know that God is not the true God, because the creator of all things, which includes time, would not be wrong about predicting the future. Deut. 18:22 says, "If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously" (NIV). Isaiah 46:9-10 says, "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please."

     One approach to use with an unbeliever is to turn to Psalm 22 and read verses 12-18. This is a detailed description of the crucifixion--1000 years before Jesus was born. After you read the section ask him what it was about. He'll say, "The crucifixion of Jesus." Then respond with something like, "You're right. This is about the crucifixion. But it was written 1000 years before Jesus was born. And on top of that, crucifixion hadn't even been invented yet.  How do you think something like this could happen?" After a brief discussion, you could show him (or her) a few other prophecies like where Jesus' birthplace was prophesied (Micah 5:2), that He would be born of a virgin (Isaiah 7:14), that His side would be pierced (Zech. 12:10), etc.
 

 

Born of the Seed of the Woman

Gen. 3:15, "And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel."

Matt. 1:20, "But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, "Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit."


Born of a Virgin

Isaiah 7:14, "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel."

Matt. 1:18,25, "This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary...was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit... But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus."


Son of God

Psalm 2:7, "I will proclaim the decree of the LORD: He said to me, "You are my Son today I have become your Father."

Matt. 3:15, "And a voice from heaven said, 'This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.'"


Seed of Abraham

Gen. 22:18, "and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me."

Matt. 1:1, "record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ the son of David, the son of Abraham:"


Son of Isaac

Gen. 21:12, "But God said to him, 'Do not be so distressed about the boy and your maidservant. Listen to whatever Sarah tells you, because it is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.'"

Luke 3:23-34, "Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli...the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham, the son of Terah, the son of Nahor,"


House of David

Jer. 23:1, "The days are coming, declares the LORD, "when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land."

Luke 3:23-31, "Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph, the son of Heli...the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan, the son of David,"


Born at Bethlehem

Micah 5:2 "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times."

Matt. 2:1, "After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem."


He shall be a Prophet

Deut. 18:18, "I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him."

Matt. 21:11,"The crowds answered, "This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee."


He shall be a Priest

Psalm 110:4, "The LORD has sworn and will not change his mind: 'You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.'"

Heb. 3:1, "Therefore, holy brothers, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, the apostle and high priest whom we confess."
Heb. 5:5-6, "So Christ also did not take upon himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him, 'You are my Son; today I have become your Father.' And he says in another place, 'You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.'"


He shall be a King

Psalm 2:6, "I have installed my King on Zion, my holy hill."

Matt. 27:37, "Above his head they placed the written charge against him: THIS IS JESUS, THE KING OF THE JEWS."


He shall judge

Isaiah 33:22, "For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; it is he who will save us."

John 5:30, "By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me."


He would be preceded by a Messenger

Isaiah 40:3, "A voice of one calling: 'In the desert prepare the way for the LORD; make straight in the wilderness a highway for our God.'"

Matt. 3:1-2, "In those days John the Baptist came, preaching in the Desert of Judea and saying, 'Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near.'"


Rejected by His own people

Isaiah 53:3, "He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not."

John 7:5, "For even his own brothers did not believe in him."
John 7:48, "Have any of the rulers or the Pharisees believed in Him?"


His side pierced

Zech. 12:10, "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one mourns for an only son."

John 19:34, "Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus' side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water."


Crucifixion

Psalm 22:1, Psalm 22:11-18, "For the director of music. To the tune of "The Doe of the Morning." A psalm of David. My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?...Do not be far from me, for trouble is near and there is no one to help. Many bulls surround me; strong bulls of Bashan. Dogs have surrounded me; a band of evil men has encircled me, they have pierced my hands and my feet. I can count all my bones; people stare and gloat over me. They divide my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing."

Luke 23:33, "When they came to the place called the Skull, there they crucified him, along with the criminals -- one on his right, the other on his left."
John 19:33, "But when they came to Jesus and saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs."
John 19:23-24, "When the soldiers crucified Jesus, they took his clothes, dividing them into four shares, one for each of them, with the undergarment remaining. This garment was seamless, woven in one piece from top to bottom. Let's not tear it, they said to one another. "Let's decide by lot who will get it." This happened that the scripture might be fulfilled which said, "They divided my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing." So this is what the soldiers did."

 


The Mathematical Odds of Jesus Fulfilling Prophecy

     The following probabilities are taken from Peter Stoner in Science Speaks (Moody Press, 1963) to show that coincidence is ruled out by the science of probability. Stoner says that by using the modern science of probability in reference to eight prophecies, 'we find that the chance that any man might have lived down to the present time and fulfilled all eight prophecies is 1 in 1017." That would be 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000. In order to help us comprehend this staggering probability, Stoner illustrates it by supposing that "we take 1017 silver dollars and lay them on the face of Texas. They will cover all of the state two feet deep.

      "Now mark one of these silver dollars and stir the whole mass thoroughly, all over the state. Blindfold a man and tell him that he can travel as far as he wishes, but he must pick up one silver dollar and say that this is the right one. What chance would he have of getting the right one? Just the same chance that the prophets would have had of writing these eight prophecies and having them all come true in any one man."

     Stoner considers 48 prophecies and says, "we find the chance that any one man fulfilled all 48 prophecies to be 1 in 10157, or 1 in

100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.

     The estimated number of electrons in the universe is around 1079.
It should be quite evident that Jesus did not fulfill the prophecies by accident."

 

 

 

 

Dennis - A Sixth 
Generation Mormon

I grew up in an LDS family and was a sixth generation Mormon. My parents were always active, temple-going Mormons and the same was expected of me. I never had a problem of believing in the Mormon story and was very happy when called to go on a mission to Finland where I served faithfully for two and a half years. After my mission, I married my wife, Rauni in the Salt Lake LDS Temple and started serving in the ward and stake. Called to be an Elders Quorum President when I was still in my early 20's, I held teaching and leadership positions from there on. I was in my 30's when I was ordained a High Priest and called to serve on the Stake High Council. Being busy in the Church and its activities, doing a lot of temple work, in addition to my ward and stake positions, took all the free time I had. It was Rauni who started pointing out that there were problems with Mormon claims and that we should check them out.

Rauni - An LDS Church Translator

I was a convert to the LDS Church in Finland where I, too, served a full-time mission before coming to the States. I started working as a translator for the Finnish language in the Church Offices almost immediately after arriving in Salt Lake City, working there almost fifteen years. This translation work gave me an opportunity to study Mormon history from many books not generally available to the membership of the Church. I started to wonder because I saw so many changes in the Church doctrines and contradictions between its' scriptures and writings of the prophets and the high leadership of the Church. I was concerned because it was obvious that the Church was hiding a lot of important information from its' membership. I had teaching positions both in the Sunday School and in the Relief Society, and also served on the Stake Relief Society Board. But when these problems in Church doctrine became too much for me to accept I suggested to Dennis that we check them out once and for all and compare Mormon doctrine to the doctrine of  the Bible to see if they matched.

 

These were serious questions, because IF Mormonism was not the truth, then our eternal lives and salvation were in danger.

 

 


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